Sarcazm ON Russia quietly and imperceptibly broke into the market of industrial controllers! "Sarcazm OFF"
Most of my life I work in the field of industrial automation, and I know all the major manufacturers in this field. In addition, I specialize in Siemens equipment, which is also important. Yesterday I saw on YouTube an interesting video that I first took for a frank fake.
But since the video was very well made, I decided to figure out what was really there. The company assures that it has created and launched into production two lines of industrial controllers, not inferior to counterparts from leading manufacturers. And it happened quietly and unnoticed, which is strange in the light of the current government’s policy of import substitution.
I also ask you to pay attention to two phrases in the presentation:
1.23 (Ilyas Gallamov - Head of the Marketing and Development Department of SibCom JSC)
2.02 (Marat Gazizov - Deputy General Director of SibCom JSC)
Here are some great fellows! But let's order.
A little about the company ( quotes from the official site ):
So far everything is beautiful and proud! The organization participates in exhibitions:
Well, okay, about the company is still enough, let's see what they developed and produce there.
Something reminds me of it:
6ES7214-1HG40-0XB0 Programmable Controller (Siemens)
SIMATIC S7-1200, CPU 1214C, COMPACT CPU, DC / DC / RELAY, ONBOARD I / O: 14 DI 24V DC; 10 DO RELAY 2A; 2 AI 0 - 10V DC, POWER SUPPLY: DC 20.4 - 28.8 V DC, PROGRAM / DATA MEMORY: 100 KB
Specifications
Well, the first two differences, I will say - the color and stickers, well, look for the rest. I did not find.
Some screenshots from the documentation.
Siemens are good uncles and have implemented support for CK-1000 controllers in the S7 package. Thanks to them!
Stop, and where is the promised and developed by Kaskad?
Another screenshot from the SK-1000 documentation:
And now from the documentation on the S7 - 1200:
Camera to reshoot the pictures was not found? Or just laziness.
Well, this is the youngest line. Go ahead.
All familiar faces again! By the way, no cascade again smells - the same Step-7.
6ES7412-3HJ14-0AB0 (Siemens)
SIMATIC S7-400H, CPU 412-3H CENTRAL UNIT FOR S7-400H AND S7-400F / FH, 3 INTERFACES: 1 MPI / DP AND 2 FOR SYNC MODULES 768 KB MEMORY (256 KB DATA / 512 KB CODE)
Features will not even lead - one to one. Well, with the documentation the same picture as with the previous controller.
Judging by this:
It consisted in the selection of paint for repainting buildings. And from my point of view, it was not very successful. Well, the production:
I did not find ANY device on the company's website that is not the equipment of other major manufacturers. Everywhere one picture - repainted housing and re-glued tags.
I can’t say anything concrete about Kaskad software, I haven’t found any screenshots, or at least the pictures on the monitor screen. Everything is well hidden. But here and there images of finished projects skip. And judging by its specification and package breakdown, this is WinCC from Siemens. Well, as they say, "EKB Install has not been canceled." Asushniki understand.
On the one hand, there is nothing terrible in the activities of this company (except for problems with legality - but apparently they perfectly solve them). Well, the guys earn as they can.
On the other hand, this activity causes a number of problems.
1. They automatically win all tenders in which they participate. This was probably the main purpose of the creation of this company. After all, under current legislation, if domestic manufacturers participate in the tender whose equipment meets or exceeds foreign offers (and it corresponds - Veda is, the same Siemens is only repainted), then the customer is simply obliged to accept this offer.
2. Since this company wins tenders, honest domestic developers are left without orders (it’s not natural to catch up with Siemens, and SibCom takes the whole import substitution bonus). Accordingly, their own development does not develop.
3. Since the orders are taken by this company, they will serve them. Who do you think will better serve the equipment - real representatives of Siemens, who have contacts with the manufacturer and his support, or representatives of the company who can only work with a can of paint?
4. Well, the last is the problem of the customers themselves. The S7-400 (CK-4000) controllers are morally and physically outdated and have been out of production for a couple of years. Warehouses are now being sold. And soon the supply of these controllers and expansion units will end. Siemens is slowly transferring its customers to the new S7-1500 series. And this is not an easy operation. It is interesting - and the company “SibCom” will transfer its customers to any SK-15000 when they run out of SK-4000 stocks. Not sure. And the zip the same will take nowhere.
I am also interested in another question - where does Siemens look? Indeed, judging by the vigorous activity of this company, they must have come across it. Although ... maybe they are not against it, because the old controllers of the 400th series need to be fused somewhere.
But since the video was very well made, I decided to figure out what was really there. The company assures that it has created and launched into production two lines of industrial controllers, not inferior to counterparts from leading manufacturers. And it happened quietly and unnoticed, which is strange in the light of the current government’s policy of import substitution.
I also ask you to pay attention to two phrases in the presentation:
1.23 (Ilyas Gallamov - Head of the Marketing and Development Department of SibCom JSC)
equipment of our production is used to build these systems - SK-4000, SK-1000 series PLC
2.02 (Marat Gazizov - Deputy General Director of SibCom JSC)
Long-term work of our company in the development and implementation of software and hardware systems in the field of automation of technological processes has allowed our company to develop its own line of controller equipment and software . At the moment we have entered the market with the software-technical complex "Cascade"
Here are some great fellows! But let's order.
A little about the company ( quotes from the official site ):
SibCom was established in 2003. The company specializes in integrated solutions in the field of automation, telemechanization, fire and burglar alarm systems, communication networks and information security of technological facilities.
Today, SibCom has several design bureaus, project management departments, automated process control systems, capital construction, design and survey works, marketing and development, a production department, a factory for the production of automated systems, installation management and commissioning, branches in the cities of Tyumen, Saransk and Nefteyugansk.
Among the company's developments are local automation systems based on programmable logic controllers (PLC), multi-level geographically distributed control systems, dispatch control and data collection systems. For the implementation of projects in the framework of the import substitution program, equipment and software systems of our production are used: PTK "CASCADE", PLC SK-4000, PLC SK-1000, power supplies, relays, intrinsically safe barriers, cabinets. For customers, there are obvious advantages: there is a reduction in equipment costs, and the time for its manufacture and delivery is reduced.
So far everything is beautiful and proud! The organization participates in exhibitions:
The company has a great portfolio!
A small clarification - I work at the deposit field as an ACS specialist, so I didn’t even know that we use their controllers. Strange is true. Well, probably, I do not correspond to the position, since I do not know my suppliers.
WITH THE PARTICIPATION OF SIBCOM JSC, THE OBJECTS OF SUCH OIL COMPANIES HAVE BEEN DESIGNED, COMPLETED WITH EQUIPMENT AND INTRODUCED INTO OPERATION:
• CJSC NK "Nobel Oil";
• OAO Slavneft-Megionneftegaz;
• OJSC NK Rosneft;
• LLC RN - Uvatneftegaz;
• Slavneft-Nizhnevartovsk LLC;
• Gazpromneft-Vostok LLC;
• LUKOIL-Komi LLC;
• LLC RN-Nyaganneftegaz;
• LLC Bashneft-Polyus;
• Gazpromneft New Port LLC;
• Chamber of Commerce and Industry "Lukoil-Usinskneftegaz";
• LLC SN-Gasdobycha NK Alliance;
• Gazpromneft-Development LLC Messoyakha branch.
WORK GEOGRAPHY SIBCOM JSC INCLUDES:
• Tyumen region;
• Khanty-Mansiysk and Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Districts;
• Tomsk region;
• Komi Republic;
• Nenets Autonomous Okrug;
• Ural and Pre-Urals;
• Republic of Bashkortostan;
• Central Russia.
PROJECTS of SIBKOM JSC are IMPLEMENTED AT DEPOSITS:
• named after R. Trebs and A. Titov;
• Novoportovskom;
• Vyngapurovsky;
• Upper Purpeysk;
• East Messoyakhsky, West Messoyakhsky;
• Prirazlomnom;
• Priobskom;
• Samotlor.
Among the major projects is the participation of the company in the launch of the project of the Arctic terminal of Gazprom Neft Novy Port LLC, designed to ensure year-round shipment of oil from the Novoportovskoye field. Another striking example of the professional work of the SibCom JSC team is projects implemented since 2012 at the West Messoyakhskoye and Vostochno Messoyakhskoye fields in the interests of MESSOYAKHANEFTEGAZ JSC (Gazprom Neft PJSC). In 2016, Messoyakha was among the facilities where the “proprietary” solution of SibCom JSC is operating - an automated process control system based on programmable logic controllers of the SK-1000 series.
A small clarification - I work at the deposit field as an ACS specialist, so I didn’t even know that we use their controllers. Strange is true. Well, probably, I do not correspond to the position, since I do not know my suppliers.
Well, okay, about the company is still enough, let's see what they developed and produce there.
CK-1000 - CENTRAL PROCESSOR - SBPU.424457.001
DESCRIPTION:
The powerful high-performance central processor SK-1000 is made in a compact package, the functionality of which allows for a number of technological functions.
Specifications
Working memory 75 KB Supply voltage 24 V Communication speed 10/100 Mbps SD card slot up to 32 GB Discrete inputs 14 Discrete outputs 10 (relay) Analog inputs 2 Overall dimensions (WxHxD) 110x100x75
Something reminds me of it:
6ES7214-1HG40-0XB0 Programmable Controller (Siemens)
SIMATIC S7-1200, CPU 1214C, COMPACT CPU, DC / DC / RELAY, ONBOARD I / O: 14 DI 24V DC; 10 DO RELAY 2A; 2 AI 0 - 10V DC, POWER SUPPLY: DC 20.4 - 28.8 V DC, PROGRAM / DATA MEMORY: 100 KB
Specifications
| Random access memory | 100 kbyte |
|---|---|
| Supply voltage. Rated value (DC. Current) | 24 V post. current |
| PROFINET IO Controller Max. data rates | 100 Mbit / s |
| Number of inputs | 14; built in |
| Type of Outputs | ten; Relay |
| The number of analog inputs | 2 |
| Width | 110 mm |
| Height | 100 mm |
| Depth | 75 mm |
Well, the first two differences, I will say - the color and stickers, well, look for the rest. I did not find.
Some screenshots from the documentation.
Siemens are good uncles and have implemented support for CK-1000 controllers in the S7 package. Thanks to them!
Stop, and where is the promised and developed by Kaskad?
Another screenshot from the SK-1000 documentation:
And now from the documentation on the S7 - 1200:
Camera to reshoot the pictures was not found? Or just laziness.
Well, this is the youngest line. Go ahead.
SK-4000 - CENTRAL PROCESSOR - SBPU.421417.401
DESCRIPTION:
The processor is used to solve automation problems of average complexity and has powerful technological functionality.
Specifications
Main characteristics Article SBPU.421417.401 Programming STEP 7 (LAD, FBD, STL) Nutrition On the common bus - 5V Maximum current consumption 1.3 A MPI / PROFIBUS DP Physical layer RS 485 PROFINET Physical Level Ethernet, 2x RJ45
All familiar faces again! By the way, no cascade again smells - the same Step-7.
6ES7412-3HJ14-0AB0 (Siemens)
SIMATIC S7-400H, CPU 412-3H CENTRAL UNIT FOR S7-400H AND S7-400F / FH, 3 INTERFACES: 1 MPI / DP AND 2 FOR SYNC MODULES 768 KB MEMORY (256 KB DATA / 512 KB CODE)
Features will not even lead - one to one. Well, with the documentation the same picture as with the previous controller.
Judging by this:
Long-term work of the company in the development and implementation of its own line of controller equipment
It consisted in the selection of paint for repainting buildings. And from my point of view, it was not very successful. Well, the production:
I did not find ANY device on the company's website that is not the equipment of other major manufacturers. Everywhere one picture - repainted housing and re-glued tags.
I can’t say anything concrete about Kaskad software, I haven’t found any screenshots, or at least the pictures on the monitor screen. Everything is well hidden. But here and there images of finished projects skip. And judging by its specification and package breakdown, this is WinCC from Siemens. Well, as they say, "EKB Install has not been canceled." Asushniki understand.
On the one hand, there is nothing terrible in the activities of this company (except for problems with legality - but apparently they perfectly solve them). Well, the guys earn as they can.
On the other hand, this activity causes a number of problems.
1. They automatically win all tenders in which they participate. This was probably the main purpose of the creation of this company. After all, under current legislation, if domestic manufacturers participate in the tender whose equipment meets or exceeds foreign offers (and it corresponds - Veda is, the same Siemens is only repainted), then the customer is simply obliged to accept this offer.
2. Since this company wins tenders, honest domestic developers are left without orders (it’s not natural to catch up with Siemens, and SibCom takes the whole import substitution bonus). Accordingly, their own development does not develop.
3. Since the orders are taken by this company, they will serve them. Who do you think will better serve the equipment - real representatives of Siemens, who have contacts with the manufacturer and his support, or representatives of the company who can only work with a can of paint?
4. Well, the last is the problem of the customers themselves. The S7-400 (CK-4000) controllers are morally and physically outdated and have been out of production for a couple of years. Warehouses are now being sold. And soon the supply of these controllers and expansion units will end. Siemens is slowly transferring its customers to the new S7-1500 series. And this is not an easy operation. It is interesting - and the company “SibCom” will transfer its customers to any SK-15000 when they run out of SK-4000 stocks. Not sure. And the zip the same will take nowhere.
I am also interested in another question - where does Siemens look? Indeed, judging by the vigorous activity of this company, they must have come across it. Although ... maybe they are not against it, because the old controllers of the 400th series need to be fused somewhere.
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